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Post by swtexan on May 18, 2017 16:37:16 GMT
That makes sense- you cannot currently get on the Online Print Store for interior signs, etc. I wonder if pushing for the redesign, they are attempting to look more attractive to any potential buyer?
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Post by determined1 on May 25, 2017 23:59:45 GMT
So I read in the censored forum that Peter is closing clubs. They mention Lake Mills, WI). I'm giuessing that makes him a disengaged owner. Anyone know what other clubs he personally owns?
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Post by Tired Franchisee on May 26, 2017 19:34:21 GMT
Determined: where Ion the portal forum did you see info on Peter closing Lake Mills?
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Post by Tired Of Getting Screwed on May 27, 2017 12:48:44 GMT
That is interesting -- the equipment at Lake Mills looks fairly new but the flooring and walls and paint are all old. I wonder why Peter didn't upgrade new carpet and wooden floors to greatly increase his income there?
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Post by determined1 on May 28, 2017 18:45:57 GMT
The post has the subject line "Closed Snaps" or something like that. Looking at the pics of the club I find it interesting that there's no yellow stripe. The cabinets are white and cheap looking. Definitely not the new ones or even the ones which were required more than 5 years ago. The walls look like they're white, and not universal grey (though that could just be the pic). On their google reviews the manager gives the club 5 stars. Imagine that. Who are the other reviews from, friends and relatives?
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Post by cheryl on May 30, 2017 13:43:26 GMT
Over the last 6 months or so the average revenue per club has increased from about $15K/month to about $19K/month. Of course the snap mafia will try to argue that it's because clubs are modernizing and running the "snap plan". The truth of the matter is that they've closed 33 clubs in that time period in order to inflate those numbers. I believe those clubs which are struggling will face more and more pressure to close their doors. For those who want to get out this is probably the perfect time. I'm guessing they'll look the other way on how much longer your term is. Those clubs doing well? Forget it, they need you to pull up those numbers.
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Post by firecrackergirl on May 30, 2017 15:57:04 GMT
They will. I spoke with one of the higher-ups at corporate who told me that we could get out of our snap term-- the struggle would be getting out of our lease with our landlord. It wouldn't be a pretty sight.
I have modernized and seen no revenue change from it. Don't know where that 19k would come from but never seen any number like that here.
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Post by greenergrass on May 30, 2017 17:32:48 GMT
They will. I spoke with one of the higher-ups at corporate who told me that we could get out of our snap term-- the struggle would be getting out of our lease with our landlord. It wouldn't be a pretty sight. I have modernized and seen no revenue change from it. Don't know where that 19k would come from but never seen any number like that here. How can any of us get out of our snap term? I'd like to but have been threatened with paying through the end, even when I know that some owners have closed with no further apparent obligations. Has your location been for sale at all?
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Post by greenergrass on May 30, 2017 17:40:57 GMT
The huge problem with all of the closing Snaps, as has been mentioned, is the reciprocity. When people are looking for reciprocity and find that we no longer have locations in many areas of the US, or very few locations, they join another gym (Planet or Anytime). So even the great and the good clubs will be affected by the closing of those that are struggling. I don't think corporate should penalize the struggling clubs that really need to close (drained finances due to competition). But they should look for ways that these struggling clubs can actually survive, or even thrive. And adding $20-50K in modernization is, as some have experienced, not really the answer. Sure, if someone has the finance, make it better. But most members don't really care what color the walls and carpet are or whether there is a reception desk. The vast majority are NOT going to buy MyZone belts. If you have a trainer, maybe this makes sense. But even trainers I have talked to are not that enthused.
So yes, modernization will cause a lot of clubs to close and really, it will affect everyone. How often do you have people call you to say they are moving but there is no Snap where they are moving? That is at least a couple of months dues that are lost in that transition (except for when they do a manual transfer, it's less). How often do you all have members who travel for their job only to quit because they can no longer find Snap Fitness locations where they travel, but they find PF and ATF? So this push for modernization will increase average revenue for a short time and then even the successful clubs will start to feel the pinch. And as PF expands further, they will be affected even more. Good luck to you all!
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Post by firecrackergirl on May 30, 2017 17:58:02 GMT
I haven't listed it, we are going to try to ride out till the end... Corporate said we could make a "mutual agreement" to close. Whatever that means. PT and Myzone have not been much of a thing here..nobody is interested. We barely sell any PT and can't keep clients. Weve been thru maybe 6 trainers during our time with Snap.
We are the only Snap in our area and have AF 2 blocks away. But the good news is people still use us because our price is better and we are no contract. its gonna be tough when PF comes to town but right now PF will not come here because the population is only 8000 people or so.
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Post by greenergrass on May 30, 2017 19:33:20 GMT
FYI - 10 locations were lost between mid April and mid May:
Michigan(66) -1 Mississippi(19) -2 Missouri(17) -1 New Hampshire(1) -1 New Jersey(21) -1 Ohio(43) -1 Texas(75) -2 -10
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Post by yankedchain on May 30, 2017 21:04:09 GMT
Look at all those closings. Anyone selling just HC only unless asked? Often when I mention that you can go to "Snaps all over the world" it makes people think about the places they go. Once that door is open, it usually leads to Google searches, no Snaps in the travel area and then a membership no sold. It seems easier to sell a membership without mentioning that "benefit".
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Post by greenergrass on May 30, 2017 23:46:21 GMT
Right. Reciprocity is going to kill us when they compare us to Planet and ATF. In one month, 10 clubs are gone. And I just predict it will continue under the direction of the current management. In my opinion, it's a failure of the model so now they want to be more like ATF and force modernization (seriously, ATF had a better look from the beginning). Result: I predict more closings.
But we have world class support and software. And some amazing decals/wall murals. When I'm done with Snap Fitness, I am going to join the gym with the best wall murals and the best flooring, because that's what makes a gym great!
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Post by Fitmare User on May 31, 2017 13:22:54 GMT
I searched news on Lake Mills, Wi. Where Peter is closing his club. It may already be closed :
- their FB page hasn't had 1 Post since March Abd used to post daily. - guess who moved into town -1 block away from Peterssnap ( lol)? A brand new Anytime. - this Anytime owner now owns 30 Anytime's across this region of the country and was awarded with Anytimes highest award recently. And took Peterssnap Down
- OR THIS IS THE PLAN: ... merge with anytime fitness
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Post by snaplongtimer on May 31, 2017 14:58:36 GMT
If they merge we will probably have totally new modernization plans. Fasten your seat belt. We would all be required to convert to an Anytime Express since we are the smaller footprint.
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