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Post by davesnap on Feb 6, 2018 19:47:53 GMT
I just got my letter today. Oh happy days. Now I can plan for bankruptcy as there is no more money to afford this. The Borg mothership is taking over!
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Post by snaplongtimer on Feb 6, 2018 20:54:05 GMT
Well, maybe we'd all have it if we played the guitar, sang and did one-handed stands against our tour bus.
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Post by cheryl on Feb 7, 2018 2:39:57 GMT
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Post by John on Feb 8, 2018 15:18:50 GMT
Crazy thought to all the haters that need to list clubs for sale and move on to something they actual enjoy, instead of getting up everyday trying to figure out why you hate the brand you are part of. over 300 clubs have modernized and about 400 more are up for modernization. if you think this is all just so corporate can grab money you are a fool and don't understand our industry at all. This train has left the station, take a look around at the other brands across the country and the world. How many of them look 8-10 years old and are still winning - OH WAIT, I KNOW THE ANSWER ZERO!!! If you want to be relevant and win in todays competative landscape you need to have a relevant product, great staff and great programming. Maybe while you were all busy whining about evil corporate you missed the posting of the most recent Snap that opened in AZ with one of our best owners Steele Sacks. In less that 30 days he was over 1000 memberships and did over 60k in revenue. His response as to how he did it " I just followed the play the corporate told me to run" Go figure great owner, great product and running the play and winning not Whining. We give you all the tools to win, we give you a current design to win, programing to win and a BPS team to help you win. All we can do is lead this horse to water, you guys just need to take a drink.
Im doubtful any of you are on it, but you may want to check out the brand performance team Facebook page. about 500 locations are on it so far and you will see not a single negative comment is on it anywhere. It is filled will great owners helping other owners to win. Helping other owners by sharing what they do in their market, pricing, programs, marketing, and yes even the results of what the club modernization as done for them. Have a great day!
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Post by snaplongtimer on Feb 8, 2018 17:41:26 GMT
Well congratulations Mr Steele Sacks (seriously?). Less than 30 days is not long enough for new members to absorb "the play" John. Location location location helps out more than any playbook one can hand me and I suspect this is the case for Mr. Sacks. Some fall right into a great location and are surprised and most others struggle. Everything plays a hand in the success of a club. Demographics and competition are additional considerations. This is why corp will not set up a club among multiple low priced clubs, run the play (invest in all the latest gadgetry) and show us how to beat the competition. That would be impressive. I agree with some of what you say, but don't try to convince me running the play is all you need to be successful no matter where your club is located.
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Post by John on Feb 8, 2018 19:41:20 GMT
Yes, location is critical. in fact may be one of the most critical pieces, but we do have clubs that win in every type of competitive landscape. This include franchise stores as well as corporate stores. We owned 145 corporate stores and we kept hearing from our franchisees that we need to focus more on them and less on our own stores. At the time the average corporate store had 100 more memberships that the average franchise store. We decided to sell off all but 20 corporate stores many of which are still in major metro markets full of competition) so we could create the BPS team and better support our franchisees. We now have 12 BPS and offer support at a level that is better than ever before in the history of the company. We don't want to go back to opening stores just so we can show the world we can do it again. We in fact own 30 stores in the US and about 25 in Australia, so we have plenty of corporate stores dealing with all the major brands. Yuma AZ has 3 planet fitness locations as well as many other players. Our Yuma stores has over 1000 memberships and does over 50k a month in revenue. Chanhassen MN, very successful club competes with Fitness 19, Anytime, Lifetime, Orange Theory, 2 Rec centers... this club does over 35k a month in revenue. I'm not sure what opening more clubs would prove to you, I could list about 10 more that we own just like these, but whats the point. The point is we want to support you not run our own stores. We just need some of the owners on the forum to stop fighting us at every turn and get on board. What they are doing to win today is not working or they wouldn't be so frustrated. So they can keep doing that or try something new, they won't know if they don't try.
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Post by neglected on Feb 8, 2018 22:38:40 GMT
Win-Win Idea!
Mutually Agree to terminate the 'Whiners and Haters' franchise agreement. Then sell a new agreement in the same area to 'Great Owners (etc. Steele Sacks). Corporate wins by purging the 'Whiners and Haters' from the portfolio (better image and numbers). They will be replaced with performers.
Let the 'Whiners and Haters' either close up or run independent. As independents, they will probably soon shut down because 1). Poor performers and 2) Cannot compete with the must better performers.
Corporate would then prove they have the best model.
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Post by cheryl on Feb 8, 2018 23:00:51 GMT
A club modernizes, which is an indication that they're following the plan and closes. Obviously this shows that this isn't a bullet proof strategy for success. Trying to force this on EVERY club is simply stupidity in action. Each club should be evaluated to determine if the modernization would have the desired effect. Modernizing, just for the sake of modernizing is, again, stupid and comes off as nothing more than corporate dipping their hand into the pockets of franchisees.
Additionally, an important fact is the size of a club when discussing revenue. Which is more successful at 50,000sf club generating $50,000/month or a 2,000sf club generating $12,000/month? There are a lot of factors which come into play to determine success. Rattling off revenue numbers without any other data is assuming your audience is stupid.
Paying ridiculous fees for substandard software and services is unacceptable regardless of what revenue is and stealing services from clubs and selling them to others is theft, plain and simple. It's been pointed out time and time again, by multiple members. I don't care how much I make, corporate stealing from franchisees is absolutely unacceptable. Fitpass is theft, plain and simple. I know you understand simple.
Speaking of whining, that sounds like projection on your part because that's all you ever seem to do is whine about franchisees bringing up issues, rather than act or offer solutions.
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Post by isthisheaven on Feb 9, 2018 1:41:41 GMT
to Neglected comments: bahaahahahahahahahahahha. I appreciate you all getting him to respond and showing some true professionalism. I love being able to copy and save in my journal :0 Much appreciated feedback
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Post by greenergrass on Feb 9, 2018 2:14:34 GMT
To John, I just looked up Planet Fitness locations in Yuma, AZ. There is one. You state there are three.
You also mention "our Yuma stores has over 1,000 memberships.." I'm not sure if you mean our Yuma store has over 1,000 or Our Yuma stores have over 1,000.
When I searched Yuma, Arizona fitness, a map shows a Snap Fitness and a Planet Fitness in a mall area near Hwy 8 and W 16th street. According to PF site, the PF is there. According to the Snap Fitness "find a gym" the Snap Fitness is NOT there (so it seems to have closed...go figure). There are three other Snap Fitness locations not near this ONE Planet Fitness location.
When you mention Yuma, is it Yuma Valley, Yuma, or Yuma Foothills? Location is important.
So John, you spin a story hoping nobody will check the details?
Interestingly, there is no ATF in Yuma, AZ.
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Post by isthisheaven on Feb 9, 2018 2:36:18 GMT
In addition to that I just looked at pictures of the AZ clubs and Im pretty sure it does not look modernized!!!! I still see the ugly stripe on the wall of one of them!!!!
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Post by determined1 on Feb 9, 2018 4:14:04 GMT
A bit of difficulty in telling the truth, huh? 1 PF in Yuma. Next closest is 56 miles away in CA. There is a World Gym 3 miles from 1 of the Yuma snaps and 1 mile from another. The World Gym looks impressive with lots to offer. Their "Join now" page is broken, so I'm not sure about pricing. There's also 4th Ave Gym, which looks more like a meathead gym which can't get its act together. Their web page is a disaster. They're $35/month. Stated: We owned 145 corporate stores and we kept hearing from our franchisees that we need to focus more on them and less on our own stores. At the time the average corporate store had 100 more memberships that the average franchise store. We decided to sell off all but 20 corporate stores many of which are still in major metro markets full of competition) so we could create the BPS team and better support our franchisees. We now have 12 BPS and offer support at a level that is better than ever before in the history of the company. - TRANSLATION: We tried to run a bunch of abandoned stores because we believed what we were telling franchisees about disengaged members. We discovered we couldn't make them profitable either, even when we hired all sorts of fitness professionals to run them. We threw in the towel, and made those fitness professionals part of our BPS team. However, this is this way we prefer to spin it. Sounds better doesn't it. Also, we can lie our ass off about the number of memberships, or hide how many of them were non-paying memberships in order to tell a better story. Here's another detail no one has mentioned. I'd suggest watching "The Profit" so you can get a better grip on business, because I really believe your IQ is in the single digits. You can have revenues of $50K, but if your expenses are $55K you're not going to ever get rich. You seem to be one of those that buys something for $10, sells it for $8 and then plans to make it up in volume. Details matter, you don't. I don't think you have a clue as to what you're doing in business, fitness or anything else, except maybe eating. Spewing off 1/10th of specifics just shows your ignorance or your inability to look at things differently and come up with a different idea, or even grasp a different idea, but then again that comes back to IQ. Oh, and normally I'd be a bit nicer, however since this style seems to be your MO I figured you'd appreciate it more. Stated: Im doubtful any of you are on it, but you may want to check out the brand performance team Facebook page. about 500 locations are on it so far and you will see not a single negative comment is on it anywhere. It is filled will great owners helping other owners to win. Helping other owners by sharing what they do in their market, pricing, programs, marketing, and yes even the results of what the club modernization as done for them. Have a great day!
Anyone posting has to reveal who they are and at this point the vindictive nature and corporate culture of snap fitness is too well known. Any franchisee who would even make a suggestion on how to improve anything would find a letter of default in the mail about some trivial issue about their club within a week. It's the snap way. Also, it's 331 members for that page, but there's that truth thing popping up again. You really can't help but lie about anything can you? Do you really wonder why no one believes anything you say? Then again it could be that IQ thing again 331=500 (T or F) C'mon little johnny you can get this one this time. Aw, better luck next time. How do you even have a job with your level of stupidity. (Again, you're the one that likes to operate at this level)
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Post by greenergrass on Feb 9, 2018 14:44:25 GMT
Crazy thought to all the haters that need to list clubs for sale and move on to something they actual enjoy, instead of getting up everyday trying to figure out why you hate the brand you are part of. over 300 clubs have modernized and about 400 more are up for modernization. if you think this is all just so corporate can grab money you are a fool and don't understand our industry at all. This train has left the station, take a look around at the other brands across the country and the world. How many of them look 8-10 years old and are still winning - OH WAIT, I KNOW THE ANSWER ZERO!!! If you want to be relevant and win in todays competative landscape you need to have a relevant product, great staff and great programming. Maybe while you were all busy whining about evil corporate you missed the posting of the most recent Snap that opened in AZ with one of our best owners Steele Sacks. In less that 30 days he was over 1000 memberships and did over 60k in revenue. His response as to how he did it " I just followed the play the corporate told me to run" Go figure great owner, great product and running the play and winning not Whining. We give you all the tools to win, we give you a current design to win, programing to win and a BPS team to help you win. All we can do is lead this horse to water, you guys just need to take a drink. Seriously, I don't get up every day trying to figure out why I hate this franchise. All the "investment" with no ROI. And then the expectation that I should further invest with some remote possibility of an ROI. I didn't get into this all for the fun. It was supposed to be fun, meaningful, and profitable. But it never was profitable. Ever. In fact I owe more to myself (what was borrowed) than I did when I opened more than seven years ago. Even after more money was spent a few years after being open to add what corporate suggested we add. Those additions didn't get us where we needed to be so the answer is add more. At some point, a smart person has to realize this is a money pit. And I did and now I'm just waiting for the end of the term. Competative? Spell check: competitive.
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Post by greenergrass on Feb 9, 2018 14:54:18 GMT
if you think this is all just so corporate can grab money you are a fool and don't understand our industry at all.....Have a great day! I have mentioned this before - corporate is part owned by the second private equity firm. What is the goal for a private equity firm? Make as much money as possible, any way possible, and sell at a higher price to the next private equity. And there is that snowball effect because then a third private equity will need to find their ROI. Where do they get it? From us (modernization of clubs, increased fees, and our members (they pay corporate to use our gym for a month resulting in less revenue to the franchisee). I suspect this direction of the corporate ownership is what drives our costs up and up. And it's the reason for the absurd markup on materials needed for modernization. It's the reason for the Fitpass (calculate the revenue to corporate!). And in the meantime, US location numbers dwindle, many owners can't wait to exit (but can't until term expiration).
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Post by snaplongtimer on Feb 9, 2018 19:59:34 GMT
I’ll correct you again John. Location IS the most critical piece. Stop trying to give credit to your playbook as a reason a new club, less than 30 days old, is winning. A playbook can affect a club’s performance later on after people have had a chance to experience the membership. “Showing the world” how to open more successful stores is a little misleading. You failed to mention extremely successful clubs that corp purchased rather than set up from scratch. You have not earned their success. You bought it. Hasn’t the corp office made a practice of purchasing extremely successful clubs? Then take credit for their success later? Then when there’s word of competition moving in, you sell in a hurry. I know for a fact this has happened and corp has lost $$$ when they couldn’t sell fast enough. What would you think of franchisees adopting the same practice? How many extremely successful clubs did the corp office purchase anyway? Are there any corp stores taking on low priced dime-store gyms or have they sold old and ran when the going gets tough? I’d like to hear examples please. Show me where a corp store is beating the low priced competition. I don’t mean a fitness19 20 miles away either…duh. I think you have missed the point, John. We all want to be successful. We all want to be relevant. We all want to love the brand. For those of us that struggle it’s because we are in the trenches fighting the competition and fighting the corp greed. What’s left over is paying the bills and few bucks extra. Certainly not enough to remodel, upgrade and buy everything corp asks of us. We do what we can. I will agree support is better than it has been in the past so I’ll end this on a high note….until I need someone on the weekends then it would be a low note.
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